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Frequency Work Hand Four

Played this hand at 1/2 the other night. Turns out Snowie wants to check the flop (as is so often the case oop).

On this flop, UTG’s range has 56.4% equity against the button’s flatting range. This is actually quite strong from what I’ve seen with most range vs range flop equities from snowie’s ranges. They’re typically somewhere between 52 and 56 for one player.

I’ve not yet been able to find the pattern with Snowie’s flop betting frequencies; however, I’ve not spent much time on it yet. In the coming hand analyses, I hope to get a better idea of what Snowie is doing.

Also, I no longer plan on having “Typical Actions”, “My Buckets”, or “Sniff Test” sections in these. I’m just taking a peek at Snowie’s actions.

Hand:

Winning Poker Network Game #268488820: No Limit Holdem ($1/$2) [2014/03/30 05:44:48 UTC]

Table: Hydrogen (JP) – 5

Seats: 6

Seat 1: SemperFidelis ($183)

Seat 2: 768hon ($208.30)

Seat 3: NoahSDsDad ($316.62)

Seat 4: MamaCoolJ ($200)

Seat 5: Leatherass9 ($408.26)

Seat 6: ISP1421 ($585.54)

Button is seat 1

768hon: posts small blind $1

NoahSDsDad: posts big blind $2

*** HOLE CARDS ***

MamaCoolJ: dealt [9c Jc]

MamaCoolJ: raises $4.50

Leatherass9: folds

ISP1421: folds

SemperFidelis: calls $4.50

768hon: folds

NoahSDsDad: folds

*** FLOP *** [Tc Jd 9s]

MamaCoolJ: bets $11

SemperFidelis: calls $11

*** TURN *** [Tc Jd 9s] [2c]

MamaCoolJ: bets $30

SemperFidelis: folds

Preflop Range:

Opening range: 228 combos; AA-55,AKs-A2s,KQs-K9s,QJs-QTs,JTs-J9s,T9s,AKo-ATo,KQo-KJo,QJo

BTN flatting range: 102 combos; JJ-55,AQs-ATs,KJs-KTs,QJs-QTs,JTs,T9s,76s,65s,54s,AQo (Roughly, because Snowie uses a mixed strategy with many holdings for the flatting range.)

On average, UTG has 52.7% equity vs. the button’s flatting range. This flop seems a good one for UTG’s as his equity is 56.7%. As I said, from what I’ve seen with range vs range (given Snowie’s ranges), this is a more lopsided flop for UTG than average.

After the flop, UTG has 193 combos, and BTN has 83.

Snowie’s Strategy:

Snowie suggests betting half pot with 3.9% of our range.

Hand

Combos

Frequ

Total

Kqo, KhQh

13

34%

4.42

Ajo, AhJh

10

24%

2.4

Kjo, KhJh

10

7%

0.7

Total

   

7.52

Certainly wouldn’t say this range contains bluffs; however, the top pairs are likely unhappy with action. Top pairs are 41% of the betting range. This makes some sense because if the button raises, 60% of our range isn’t going anywhere…which sucks for a raising strategy. We’ll look at the BTN’s strategy in the next blog.

Our checking range then has 186 combos, with some very strong hands in it…including straights, sets, two pair, and overpairs. Checking Range: AA-55,AKs-A2s,KQs-K9s,QJs-QTs,JTs-J9s,T9s,AKo-ATo,KdQd,KcQc,KsQs,AdJd,AcJc,AsJs,KdJd,KcJc,KsJs,QJo This range still has about 54% equity vs. the BTN.

If we bet, get called, and a blank hits the turn (say 3c), Snowie bets only the straights for half pot, and those only 75% of the time. Makes one ponder the bluff:value ratios often spoke of… If the turn is the 3h (completing the rainbow), Snowie checks 100%.

So, let’s look at checking because that’s 96% of the strategy.

First, let’s say BTN checks back the flop. What does UTG do on the 3c turn? This time Snowie fires with 42.6% of his range, holding back half his straight and most his sets. However, most two pairs and overpairs get bet on the turn. The value:bluff ratio on the turn is about 3:1, with the bluffs consists mostly of suited clubs and oesd hands. If the turn is the 3h, still UTG leads with many hands for 42.8% of his range, with a similar makeup as the 3c turn.

When we check, and Snowie suggests BTN bet half pot with 46.3% of his range. I’ll save the breakdown for the following blog, suffice to say, BTN unloads a bet with all his monster hands. The strongest hands he checks back are suited AJ and KJ hands, some of those weighted. He includes about 60% high card hands in his betting range, many of those AQ and then some suited trash with bdfds.

Now let’s say BTN bets the flop after we check. Again, he’s betting half pot. Snowie folds 47%, calls 33%, and raises half pot with 20%. For autoprofit with any two cards with a half pot bet, BTN needs 33% fold equity; he has 47%. However, we do hear experts tell us that raising is a more effective defense than calling and therefore the necessary fold equity goes up when the opponent raises. 20% raising is certainly a lot of raising. I’m not sure if 20% raising makes up for the 14% excess fold equity or not. Course, we’re OOP and that hurts. Idk.

The check-raising range consists of a small portion of the straights (the backdoor flush draw straights get raised more frequently), about 2/3 of the sets (calling mostly with bottom set), none of the two pair hands, about a third of the overpairs, about half of the top pair + oesd hands (QJ) and some QT hands. The raising range is spiked with almost 50% high card hands, but most of these are hands like A8s and AQ. So, the check-calling range is still quite strong with straights, sets, all 2 pairs, some overpairs and some top pair hands.

Interestingly, UTG folds most the AJ hands, holding back backdoor flush AJs. Same for AT and AK. The rest of the folding range consists of the underpairs and small suited Aces.

If BTN bets pot, UTG folds 64% (there’s that 14% excess again…coincidence or not?), calls 33.5%, and raises about 2%. Certainly not much raising, so idk about that folding percentage. The check-raising range consists of a small fraction of straights and mostly AQ (btw, if BTN ships over the check-raise, UTG folds AQ). The weakest hands Snowie calls with are AQ with backdoor flushdraws and QTs.

So, let’s say we call the flop half pot bet from BTN. If the turn is the 3c, UTG checks 100%. I think it makes sense from what we’ve seen so far, the same is true for the 3h. At this point, BTN bets POT with 82% of his range, about 20% bluffs. He does hold back 99 and some two pair hands. To this bet, UTG folds 21%, calls 77%, raises 3%.

Interestingly, if the turn is the 3h after we check-call the flop and check the turn, BTN now bets 2x pot with 8% of his range. This betting range consists of mostly KJ and AQ hands. To the 2x bet, UTG folds 59% of his range, the strongest hand folded is J9 (KK and QQ call the bet).

So…what to make of this information. It’s difficult to say yet. I hope to make more sense of this stuff as I go along (if there’s sense to be made). What seems recurrent, though, is OOP often keeps his checking range quite strong. Looking at a flop where UTG’s equity sucks: 5h7d9c. UTG is 43.8%. Still, UTG bets only 1% of his range. So, it seems the IP player is the one who pounds away and the OOP player is keeping a strong defense. I’ll look to test this idea more by looking at spots like SB vs BB and BTN vs BB.

In the meantime, I welcome thoughts and ideas.

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  • #988

    QTip
    Keymaster

    Played this hand at 1/2 the other night. Turns out Snowie wants to check the flop (as is so often the case oop).

    On this flop, UTG’s range has 56.4% equity against the button’s flatting range. This is actually quite strong from what I’ve seen with most range vs range flop equities from snowie’s ranges. They’re typically somewhere between 52 and 56 for one player.

    I’ve not yet been able to find the pattern with Snowie’s flop betting frequencies; however, I’ve not spent much time on it yet. In the coming hand analyses, I hope to get a better idea of what Snowie is doing.

    Also, I no longer plan on having “Typical Actions”, “My Buckets”, or “Sniff Test” sections in these. I’m just taking a peek at Snowie’s actions.

    Hand:

    Winning Poker Network Game #268488820: No Limit Holdem ($1/$2) [2014/03/30 05:44:48 UTC]

    Table: Hydrogen (JP) – 5

    Seats: 6

    Seat 1: SemperFidelis ($183)

    Seat 2: 768hon ($208.30)

    Seat 3: NoahSDsDad ($316.62)

    Seat 4: MamaCoolJ ($200)

    Seat 5: Leatherass9 ($408.26)

    Seat 6: ISP1421 ($585.54)

    Button is seat 1

    768hon: posts small blind $1

    NoahSDsDad: posts big blind $2

    *** HOLE CARDS ***

    MamaCoolJ: dealt [9c Jc]

    MamaCoolJ: raises $4.50

    Leatherass9: folds

    ISP1421: folds

    SemperFidelis: calls $4.50

    768hon: folds

    NoahSDsDad: folds

    *** FLOP *** [Tc Jd 9s]

    MamaCoolJ: bets $11

    SemperFidelis: calls $11

    *** TURN *** [Tc Jd 9s] [2c]

    MamaCoolJ: bets $30

    SemperFidelis: folds

    Preflop Range:

    Opening range: 228 combos; AA-55,AKs-A2s,KQs-K9s,QJs-QTs,JTs-J9s,T9s,AKo-ATo,KQo-KJo,QJo

    BTN flatting range: 102 combos; JJ-55,AQs-ATs,KJs-KTs,QJs-QTs,JTs,T9s,76s,65s,54s,AQo (Roughly, because Snowie uses a mixed strategy with many holdings for the flatting range.)

    On average, UTG has 52.7% equity vs. the button’s flatting range. This flop seems a good one for UTG’s as his equity is 56.7%. As I said, from what I’ve seen with range vs range (given Snowie’s ranges), this is a more lopsided flop for UTG than average.

    After the flop, UTG has 193 combos, and BTN has 83.

    Snowie’s Strategy:

    Snowie suggests betting half pot with 3.9% of our range.

    Hand

    Combos

    Frequ

    Total

    Kqo, KhQh

    13

    34%

    4.42

    Ajo, AhJh

    10

    24%

    2.4

    Kjo, KhJh

    10

    7%

    0.7

    Total

       

    7.52

    Certainly wouldn’t say this range contains bluffs; however, the top pairs are likely unhappy with action. Top pairs are 41% of the betting range. This makes some sense because if the button raises, 60% of our range isn’t going anywhere…which sucks for a raising strategy. We’ll look at the BTN’s strategy in the next blog.

    Our checking range then has 186 combos, with some very strong hands in it…including straights, sets, two pair, and overpairs. Checking Range: AA-55,AKs-A2s,KQs-K9s,QJs-QTs,JTs-J9s,T9s,AKo-ATo,KdQd,KcQc,KsQs,AdJd,AcJc,AsJs,KdJd,KcJc,KsJs,QJo This range still has about 54% equity vs. the BTN.

    If we bet, get called, and a blank hits the turn (say 3c), Snowie bets only the straights for half pot, and those only 75% of the time. Makes one ponder the bluff:value ratios often spoke of… If the turn is the 3h (completing the rainbow), Snowie checks 100%.

    So, let’s look at checking because that’s 96% of the strategy.

    First, let’s say BTN checks back the flop. What does UTG do on the 3c turn? This time Snowie fires with 42.6% of his range, holding back half his straight and most his sets. However, most two pairs and overpairs get bet on the turn. The value:bluff ratio on the turn is about 3:1, with the bluffs consists mostly of suited clubs and oesd hands. If the turn is the 3h, still UTG leads with many hands for 42.8% of his range, with a similar makeup as the 3c turn.

    When we check, and Snowie suggests BTN bet half pot with 46.3% of his range. I’ll save the breakdown for the following blog, suffice to say, BTN unloads a bet with all his monster hands. The strongest hands he checks back are suited AJ and KJ hands, some of those weighted. He includes about 60% high card hands in his betting range, many of those AQ and then some suited trash with bdfds.

    Now let’s say BTN bets the flop after we check. Again, he’s betting half pot. Snowie folds 47%, calls 33%, and raises half pot with 20%. For autoprofit with any two cards with a half pot bet, BTN needs 33% fold equity; he has 47%. However, we do hear experts tell us that raising is a more effective defense than calling and therefore the necessary fold equity goes up when the opponent raises. 20% raising is certainly a lot of raising. I’m not sure if 20% raising makes up for the 14% excess fold equity or not. Course, we’re OOP and that hurts. Idk.

    The check-raising range consists of a small portion of the straights (the backdoor flush draw straights get raised more frequently), about 2/3 of the sets (calling mostly with bottom set), none of the two pair hands, about a third of the overpairs, about half of the top pair + oesd hands (QJ) and some QT hands. The raising range is spiked with almost 50% high card hands, but most of these are hands like A8s and AQ. So, the check-calling range is still quite strong with straights, sets, all 2 pairs, some overpairs and some top pair hands.

    Interestingly, UTG folds most the AJ hands, holding back backdoor flush AJs. Same for AT and AK. The rest of the folding range consists of the underpairs and small suited Aces.

    If BTN bets pot, UTG folds 64% (there’s that 14% excess again…coincidence or not?), calls 33.5%, and raises about 2%. Certainly not much raising, so idk about that folding percentage. The check-raising range consists of a small fraction of straights and mostly AQ (btw, if BTN ships over the check-raise, UTG folds AQ). The weakest hands Snowie calls with are AQ with backdoor flushdraws and QTs.

    So, let’s say we call the flop half pot bet from BTN. If the turn is the 3c, UTG checks 100%. I think it makes sense from what we’ve seen so far, the same is true for the 3h. At this point, BTN bets POT with 82% of his range, about 20% bluffs. He does hold back 99 and some two pair hands. To this bet, UTG folds 21%, calls 77%, raises 3%.

    Interestingly, if the turn is the 3h after we check-call the flop and check the turn, BTN now bets 2x pot with 8% of his range. This betting range consists of mostly KJ and AQ hands. To the 2x bet, UTG folds 59% of his range, the strongest hand folded is J9 (KK and QQ call the bet).

    So…what to make of this information. It’s difficult to say yet. I hope to make more sense of this stuff as I go along (if there’s sense to be made). What seems recurrent, though, is OOP often keeps his checking range quite strong. Looking at a flop where UTG’s equity sucks: 5h7d9c. UTG is 43.8%. Still, UTG bets only 1% of his range. So, it seems the IP player is the one who pounds away and the OOP player is keeping a strong defense. I’ll look to test this idea more by looking at spots like SB vs BB and BTN vs BB.

    In the meantime, I welcome thoughts and ideas.

    #1005

    ArtySmokes
    Participant

    Hi Owen!

    Just a few lines to say that I don’t have any earth-shattering info to volunteer here, but I’m reading with interest and doing similar analyses with Snowie.
    I made a spreadsheet showing the c-betting, and fold/call/raise frequencies on various flop textures like the chart you posted earlier, but I can only discern the vaguest of patterns. Indeed, there are “contradictions” to just about every scenario I’ve tested so far, which has made my studies quite infuriating. For example, changing one card on the flop – even if it’s effectively a blank – can alter the frequencies quite a lot.
    Nevertheless, I feel like playing with Snowie is teaching me a lot about balancing ranges (or more specifically to think about how ranges interact with the board, and how (backdoor) equity can increase or decrease based on turn cards), so I’ve found it a very useful tool.

    I’m sure you’ve detected the following “patterns”, but I may as well share my most basic notes:

    * Very low c-bet when OOP (Snowie only really likes to c-bet Axx OOP)
    * Highest c-bet usually occurs when IP on rainbow boards, esp Axx.
    * Very low fold to c-bet when IP (Snowie floats almost 70% IP on average, and rarely raises a c-bet after calling pre-flop in position, except in BB vs SB, which I need to study in depth.)
    * Big Blind check-folds OOP often, especially on rainbow Axx/Kxx/Qxx.
    * Big Blind (check-)raises quite often (more than any other position) especially on low boards and two-tone flops.
    * Raising is most common on boards with two Broadways (KT3 QT4) or ragged rainbows (like 752r) and hardly ever on ace-high flops.

    That’s about all I’ve got for now. I have tons of esoteric notes and stats typed out, but they are a bit of a mess, so I need to re-read and re-arrange them before I’ll be confident about drawing useful conclusions.

    Good luck with your studies. Keep up the good work. I appreciate it! :)

    #1006

    QTip
    Keymaster

    Thanks for the thoughts, Arty. I started with recording like 10 pieces of data for about 1,000 flops when BTN opens and BB calls. I’ve been going through this data to see what I can find. I tried comparing the more extreme situations with other scenarios (say UTG opens and BTN calls) to compare; however, things seem more complicated than I hoped. I have other ideas, but it’s a matter of finding time.

    We’ll keep plugging away.

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