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Frequency Work Hand Two (River)

This hand actually saw a river. Mr Francois asked me on Facebook why I didn’t post the river. While I simply didn’t include the river because there was enough work on the flop and turn to give me practice for the day, I thought it would be cool to see it through to the end. I tried the actual river and then two more hypothetical rivers with different impacts.

Hand:

Winning Poker Network Game #258207120: No Limit Holdem ($0.25/$0.50) [2014/02/27 04:55:06 UTC]
Seats: 6
Seat 1: Bucyrus ($50)
Seat 2: treydeuce88 ($121.72)
Seat 3: tussiN ($50)
Seat 4: Cpt.Dirty ($87.45)
Seat 5: MamaCoolJ ($25)
Seat 6: Cellar door ($44.49)
Button is seat 2
tussiN: posts small blind $0.25
Cpt.Dirty: posts big blind $0.50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
MamaCoolJ: dealt [Qh Kd]
MamaCoolJ: raises $1.50
Cellar door: folds
Bucyrus: folds
treydeuce88: calls $1.50
tussiN: folds
Cpt.Dirty: folds
*** FLOP *** [Jc 3s 9s]
MamaCoolJ: bets $2.21
treydeuce88: calls $2.21
*** TURN *** [Jc 3s 9s] [6d]
MamaCoolJ: bets $5.80
treydeuce88: calls $5.80
*** RIVER *** [Jc 3s 9s] [6d] [Tc]
MamaCoolJ: raises all-in $15.49
treydeuce88: calls $15.49
*** SUMMARY ***
Pot: $47.97 | Rake: $2.53 | BBJ: $0.25 |
Board: [Jc 3s 9s 6d Tc]
Seat 1: Bucyrus didn’t bet
Seat 2: treydeuce88 lost -$25 [Jd Js]

River:

I’m going to stick with the range I have in the initial post on this hand. However, I do think I’d like to keep a few more pairs for my turn checking range. I’ll see what type of difference this may make on the river.
River Range after bet flop, bet turn: 97
JJ-AA, AJ, KJ*, 99, 66- 49 combos (*minus a couple combos)
Pairs Combos
A9s 3
K9s 3
A3s 3
TT 6
T9s 3

Some Draw
Flush draws (ex. As2s, As4s, As5s) 9
KQ gutter 15
QTs oesd 3
KTs gutter 3

Total 48

The river card reduces these 97 combos to 92. The T improves much of my range; one of the best cards for my range. This probably means I increase my frequency some.
I’ll go with 75%.
92 * .75 = 69
I’ve got $15.50 to shove into a $19.80 pot. This gives my opponent 2.28:1. The bluff: value ratio isn’t impacted much anyway. Instead of an indifference point at .667 value, we have .70 value.
69 * .7 = 48
48 value and 21 bluffs

Value: Seems I should pick top hands.
KQ 16
JJ 3
99 3
66 3
TT 3
T9s 2
QQ-AA 18
Total 48

Bluffs: Seems I should pick worse hands
Pairs Combos
A3s 3
A9s 3
K9s 3
QTs 2
KTs 2

A high
Missed Flush draws (minues AsTs) 8

Total 21

Sniff Test:

My checking range includes KJ and AJ. I think that’s probably decent after this card and action. My entire checking range is pairs actually…so that’s pretty interesting. I think this all looks fine. However, I’ll have to check out a less wonderful river.

Let’s do a different river. Make it 2c

This removes no combos of my range. I’ll go with 70% here.

97 * .7 = 68
68 * .7 = 47
47 value and 21 bluffs

Best 47:
JJ 3
99 3
66 3
QQ-AA 18
AJ 12
KJ 8

Total 47

2/3 of the KJ hands

Worst 20:
High Card Combos
QTs 3
KTs 3
KQ 15

Total 21

Most of the KQ hands

Sniff Test:
This range makes sense to me. I have some bluffs I can’t get in there. My checking range still has some strength with some KJ and TT.

I’d like to look at a spade river. Make it 2s.
This removes 1 combos of my turn betting range (As2s), leaving me with 96 combos. I’ll go with 70% here.

96 * .7 = 67
67 * .7 = 47
47 value and 20 bluffs

Best 47:
JJ 3
99 3
66 3
QQ-AA 18
Flushes 12
AJ 8
Total 47

2/3 the AJ

Worst 20:
Q highs = @ 20

Sniff Test: This seems decent.

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Books by Owen Gaines Forums Frequency Work Hand Two (River)

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  • #781

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    This hand actually saw a river. Mr Francois asked me on Facebook why I didn’t post the river. While I simply didn’t include the river because there was enough work on the flop and turn to give me practice for the day, I thought it would be cool to see it through to the end. I tried the actual river and then two more hypothetical rivers with different impacts.

    Hand:

    Winning Poker Network Game #258207120: No Limit Holdem ($0.25/$0.50) [2014/02/27 04:55:06 UTC]
    Seats: 6
    Seat 1: Bucyrus ($50)
    Seat 2: treydeuce88 ($121.72)
    Seat 3: tussiN ($50)
    Seat 4: Cpt.Dirty ($87.45)
    Seat 5: MamaCoolJ ($25)
    Seat 6: Cellar door ($44.49)
    Button is seat 2
    tussiN: posts small blind $0.25
    Cpt.Dirty: posts big blind $0.50
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    MamaCoolJ: dealt [Qh Kd]
    MamaCoolJ: raises $1.50
    Cellar door: folds
    Bucyrus: folds
    treydeuce88: calls $1.50
    tussiN: folds
    Cpt.Dirty: folds
    *** FLOP *** [Jc 3s 9s]
    MamaCoolJ: bets $2.21
    treydeuce88: calls $2.21
    *** TURN *** [Jc 3s 9s] [6d]
    MamaCoolJ: bets $5.80
    treydeuce88: calls $5.80
    *** RIVER *** [Jc 3s 9s] [6d] [Tc]
    MamaCoolJ: raises all-in $15.49
    treydeuce88: calls $15.49
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Pot: $47.97 | Rake: $2.53 | BBJ: $0.25 |
    Board: [Jc 3s 9s 6d Tc]
    Seat 1: Bucyrus didn’t bet
    Seat 2: treydeuce88 lost -$25 [Jd Js]

    River:

    I’m going to stick with the range I have in the initial post on this hand. However, I do think I’d like to keep a few more pairs for my turn checking range. I’ll see what type of difference this may make on the river.
    River Range after bet flop, bet turn: 97
    JJ-AA, AJ, KJ*, 99, 66- 49 combos (*minus a couple combos)
    Pairs Combos
    A9s 3
    K9s 3
    A3s 3
    TT 6
    T9s 3

    Some Draw
    Flush draws (ex. As2s, As4s, As5s) 9
    KQ gutter 15
    QTs oesd 3
    KTs gutter 3

    Total 48

    The river card reduces these 97 combos to 92. The T improves much of my range; one of the best cards for my range. This probably means I increase my frequency some.
    I’ll go with 75%.
    92 * .75 = 69
    I’ve got $15.50 to shove into a $19.80 pot. This gives my opponent 2.28:1. The bluff: value ratio isn’t impacted much anyway. Instead of an indifference point at .667 value, we have .70 value.
    69 * .7 = 48
    48 value and 21 bluffs

    Value: Seems I should pick top hands.
    KQ 16
    JJ 3
    99 3
    66 3
    TT 3
    T9s 2
    QQ-AA 18
    Total 48

    Bluffs: Seems I should pick worse hands
    Pairs Combos
    A3s 3
    A9s 3
    K9s 3
    QTs 2
    KTs 2

    A high
    Missed Flush draws (minues AsTs) 8

    Total 21

    Sniff Test:

    My checking range includes KJ and AJ. I think that’s probably decent after this card and action. My entire checking range is pairs actually…so that’s pretty interesting. I think this all looks fine. However, I’ll have to check out a less wonderful river.

    Let’s do a different river. Make it 2c

    This removes no combos of my range. I’ll go with 70% here.

    97 * .7 = 68
    68 * .7 = 47
    47 value and 21 bluffs

    Best 47:
    JJ 3
    99 3
    66 3
    QQ-AA 18
    AJ 12
    KJ 8

    Total 47

    2/3 of the KJ hands

    Worst 20:
    High Card Combos
    QTs 3
    KTs 3
    KQ 15

    Total 21

    Most of the KQ hands

    Sniff Test:
    This range makes sense to me. I have some bluffs I can’t get in there. My checking range still has some strength with some KJ and TT.

    I’d like to look at a spade river. Make it 2s.
    This removes 1 combos of my turn betting range (As2s), leaving me with 96 combos. I’ll go with 70% here.

    96 * .7 = 67
    67 * .7 = 47
    47 value and 20 bluffs

    Best 47:
    JJ 3
    99 3
    66 3
    QQ-AA 18
    Flushes 12
    AJ 8
    Total 47

    2/3 the AJ

    Worst 20:
    Q highs = @ 20

    Sniff Test: This seems decent.

    #830

    Michel Couet

    I arrive at the river with much less combos than you do.
    My range is {99, AA-JJ, AsKs, AsQs, AJ, AsTs, KQ, KJs, KTs, QJs, QTs, JTs, 87s, 7s6s, 6s5s} for 75 combos.

    On the Tc, here is my action :

    Shove for value :
    – straight (KQ, 87s : 20)
    – set (99, JJ : 6)
    – 2Pairs (JTs : 2)
    28 combos

    Shove as a bluff :
    – Busted draws : AsKs, AsQs (2)
    – Weak Pairs : 7s6s, 6s5s (2)
    4 combos. Ouch !!!!! NOT ENOUGH !

    Check-call :
    – Overpairs (QQ-AA : 18 combos)
    – TPGK (AJ, KJs : 15 combos)
    33 combos

    Check-fold :
    – TPMK (QJs : 3 combos)
    – 2ndP (KTs, QTs, AsTs : 7 combos)
    10 combos

    Assessement : Ouch, that’s very ugly !
    I need to bluff way more, and check-call way less.
    I must turn my weak pairs into bluffs (KTs, QTs, AsTs, QJs), and check-fold my unimproved TPGK (AJ, KJs). Those hands that I would need to turn into bluff countain a lot of blockers to the KQ-straight, which is great.

    As for the overpairs, I probably need to check-call with them.
    Since my 3barrels would only reach 56%, I need to check-call a good proportion of my range to keep vilain from profitably bluffing me. I think using the overpairs for that is probably allright.

    #831

    Michel Couet

    If the river is the 2c instead. I arrive at the river with 78 combos.

    I can shove for value sets (6), overpairs (18), AJ KJs (15) for 39 combos.
    I can shove as a bluff KQ and 87s (20 combos)
    Check/call QJs & JTs (6 combos), check/fold the rest (13 combos).
    That’s a high proportion of bets on the river. Probably too high, but I don’t think vilain can do anything about it. My weakest value-hand seems a reasonable value-bet.

    If the river is the 2s now. Still 78 combos in my range

    I would shove for value : Flush (12), Sets (6), Overpairs (18)
    And bluff my air : KQ (15), KTs, QTs, 87s (9 combos).
    That’s too much bluffs. I would need to also value-bet TPTK to balance my bluffs. But then I would probably be value-betting way too thin.
    I therefore need to not bluff with some combos (like KTs and QTs).

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