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Frequency Work Hand Two

A few things:

1. I’m going to move at a slow pace in terms of getting to more difficult work. I want to work with smaller ranges for now and simple situations. Also, I want to figure out more about getting more accurate frequencies before I explore too much. At this point, I’ll continue with some UTG opening situations and betting…I’m going to grab different textures for each one. Then I’ll probably do MP and CO from there. Then I’ll do some calling work with tighter ranges. Then we’ll move to huge ranges…then we’ll move to creating separate buckets for raising and such. It’s gonna take a while…

2. These hands all come from my database playing 40+ tables at the Beast. My typical stack is 50x for that. I’m not sure how much that stack size affects the frequencies, but we’ll have to do some research there. It doesn’t matter much in terms of what my goals are right now. I simply want to get a better feel for what some chunk sizes look like on different texture and different %s of ranges.

3. I’ve not listed out static preflop ranges in at least 7 years. So, what I’ve done is take the ranges from snowie’s preflop advisor and I’ll just work with those.

Hand:

Winning Poker Network Game #258207120: No Limit Holdem ($0.25/$0.50) [2014/02/27 04:55:06 UTC]
Seats: 6
Seat 1: Bucyrus ($50)
Seat 2: treydeuce88 ($121.72)
Seat 3: tussiN ($50)
Seat 4: Cpt.Dirty ($87.45)
Seat 5: MamaCoolJ ($25)
Seat 6: Cellar door ($44.49)
Button is seat 2
tussiN: posts small blind $0.25
Cpt.Dirty: posts big blind $0.50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
MamaCoolJ: dealt [Qh Kd]
MamaCoolJ: raises $1.50
Cellar door: folds
Bucyrus: folds
treydeuce88: calls $1.50
tussiN: folds
Cpt.Dirty: folds
*** FLOP *** [Jc 3s 9s]
MamaCoolJ: bets $2.21
treydeuce88: calls $2.21
*** TURN *** [Jc 3s 9s] [6d]
MamaCoolJ: bets $5.80

Preflop Range:

Opening range: 228 combos; AA-55,AKs-A2s,KQs-K9s,QJs-QTs,JTs-J9s,T9s,AKo-ATo,KQo-KJo,QJo
203 after the flop

Typical action:

Bet Flop:
Value (50 combos): JJ-AA, AJ, KJ, QsJs, QsTs, 99
Bluff (@ 35ish combos): Likely all flush draws and oesds, and some overcards
Assessment: Probably betting too much in general and need more bluffs. (After going through the Frequencies ,turns out I’m wrong. About right for value; simply need more bluffs.)

Bet Turn:
Value (50 combos): Same
Bluff (@ 35ish combos): Probably nearly identical
Assessment: My betting range stayed the same on the next street. (After seeing the problem with my flop betting range, it’s clear why I don’t have enough hands to drop on the turn.)

Frequencies:

Got called by button; not a particularly strong range. Flop seems a bit drawy, but not ridiculously so. I started 50x instead of 100x, but still have an SPR of 6, leaving about 2/3 pot bet on each street. Not sure yet what to with stacks and such to find a good frequency, but I’ll go with 70% for this analysis.
203 * .70 = 142
142 * .667 = 95
95 bluffs / 47 value
Turn seems uneventful. I’ll stick with 70%.

Buckets:

Bet flop:
Value betting hands (49 combos): JJ-AA, AJ, KJ, QsJs, 99
(Think this value range is decent as is, but I’m thinking if I had to shave some, I could get rid of a few KJ hands like KhJh, KhJd, KdJh)
Remaining hands: AK, AQ, AT, A9s-A2s, KQ, QJ, KTs, K9s, JTs, J9s, T9s, TT, 88-55
Bluffing hands:
Pairs Combos
A9s 3
K9s 3
A3s 3
TT 6
88-66 18
T9s 3

Some Draw
Flush draws (ex. As2s, As4s, As5s) 9
KQ gutter 15
KTs gutter 3
QTs oesd 3

A high
AT 15
AQ 15

Total 96

This gives me 145 hands in the flop betting range with close to 2:1. In my checking range, I have 3 combos of nut flush draw, and 15 combos of tpmk, AK, and A high rubbish. Perhaps I could replace some of the small pairs in my betting range with Acxc hands…

Bet turn:
The turn removes 3 combos (66) from my flop betting range. So, I have 142 on the turn.
142 * .7 = 99
49 bluffs and 49 value
Value betting hands (49 combos) : JJ-AA, AJ, KJ*, 99, 66 (66 replaces QsJs and a couple KJ)
Bluffing:
Pairs Combos
A9s 3
K9s 3
A3s 3
TT 6
T9s 3

Some Draw
Flush draws (ex. As2s, As4s, As5s) 9
KQ gutter 15
QTs oesd 3
KTs gutter 3

Total 48

Gives me 98 betting hands. (Amazingly, I just realized I drop half the bluffing hands from the previous round. That should help with estimating in real time.)

Sniff Test:
Don’t think anything looks crazy.

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Books by Owen Gaines Forums Frequency Work Hand Two

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  • #764

    QTip
    Keymaster

    Hand:

    Winning Poker Network Game #258207120: No Limit Holdem ($0.25/$0.50) [2014/02/27 04:55:06 UTC]
    Seats: 6
    Seat 1: Bucyrus ($50)
    Seat 2: treydeuce88 ($121.72)
    Seat 3: tussiN ($50)
    Seat 4: Cpt.Dirty ($87.45)
    Seat 5: MamaCoolJ ($25)
    Seat 6: Cellar door ($44.49)
    Button is seat 2
    tussiN: posts small blind $0.25
    Cpt.Dirty: posts big blind $0.50
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    MamaCoolJ: dealt [Qh Kd]
    MamaCoolJ: raises $1.50
    Cellar door: folds
    Bucyrus: folds
    treydeuce88: calls $1.50
    tussiN: folds
    Cpt.Dirty: folds
    *** FLOP *** [Jc 3s 9s]
    MamaCoolJ: bets $2.21
    treydeuce88: calls $2.21
    *** TURN *** [Jc 3s 9s] [6d]
    MamaCoolJ: bets $5.80

    Preflop Range:

    Opening range: 228 combos; AA-55,AKs-A2s,KQs-K9s,QJs-QTs,JTs-J9s,T9s,AKo-ATo,KQo-KJo,QJo
    203 after the flop

    Typical action:

    Bet Flop:
    Value (50 combos): JJ-AA, AJ, KJ, QsJs, QsTs, 99
    Bluff (@ 35ish combos): Likely all flush draws and oesds, and some overcards
    Assessment: Probably betting too much in general and need more bluffs. (After going through the Frequencies ,turns out I’m wrong. About right for value; simply need more bluffs.)

    Bet Turn:
    Value (50 combos): Same
    Bluff (@ 35ish combos): Probably nearly identical
    Assessment: My betting range stayed the same on the next street. (After seeing the problem with my flop betting range, it’s clear why I don’t have enough hands to drop on the turn.)

    Frequencies:

    Got called by button; not a particularly strong range. Flop seems a bit drawy, but not ridiculously so. I started 50x instead of 100x, but still have an SPR of 6, leaving about 2/3 pot bet on each street. Not sure yet what to with stacks and such to find a good frequency, but I’ll go with 70% for this analysis.
    203 * .70 = 142
    142 * .667 = 95
    95 bluffs / 47 value
    Turn seems uneventful. I’ll stick with 70%.

    Buckets:

    Bet flop:
    Value betting hands (49 combos): JJ-AA, AJ, KJ, QsJs, 99
    (Think this value range is decent as is, but I’m thinking if I had to shave some, I could get rid of a few KJ hands like KhJh, KhJd, KdJh)
    Remaining hands: AK, AQ, AT, A9s-A2s, KQ, QJ, KTs, K9s, JTs, J9s, T9s, TT, 88-55
    Bluffing hands:
    Pairs Combos
    A9s 3
    K9s 3
    A3s 3
    TT 6
    88-66 18
    T9s 3

    Some Draw
    Flush draws (ex. As2s, As4s, As5s) 9
    KQ gutter 15
    KTs gutter 3
    QTs oesd 3

    A high
    AT 15
    AQ 15

    Total 96

    This gives me 145 hands in the flop betting range with close to 2:1. In my checking range, I have 3 combos of nut flush draw, and 15 combos of tpmk, AK, and A high rubbish. Perhaps I could replace some of the small pairs in my betting range with Acxc hands…

    Bet turn:
    The turn removes 3 combos (66) from my flop betting range. So, I have 142 on the turn.
    142 * .7 = 99
    49 bluffs and 49 value
    Value betting hands (49 combos) : JJ-AA, AJ, KJ*, 99, 66 (66 replaces QsJs and a couple KJ)
    Bluffing:
    Pairs Combos
    A9s 3
    K9s 3
    A3s 3
    TT 6
    T9s 3

    Some Draw
    Flush draws (ex. As2s, As4s, As5s) 9
    KQ gutter 15
    QTs oesd 3
    KTs gutter 3

    Total 48

    Gives me 98 betting hands. (Amazingly, I just realized I drop half the bluffing hands from the previous round. That should help with estimating in real time.)

    Sniff Test:
    Don’t think anything looks crazy.

    #772

    QTip
    Keymaster

    So, just like hand one, I should make an adjustment to the turn betting range by replacing some pair bluffs with some different bluffs to strengthen the turn checking range a bit.

    #776

    Brian

    Really nice analysis. Why are there only 15 combos of a10 and KQ in the flop bluff

    #783

    QTip
    Keymaster

    Really nice analysis. Why are there only 15 combos of a10 and KQ in the flop bluff

    Because the other one of each is a flush draw.

    #826

    Michel Couet

    Same as hand #1, I used a different range preflop (somewhat tighter) : 44+, ATs+, KTs+, QTs+, 65s+, AJo+, KQo.

    Flop, that’s 159 combos including card removal.

    I cbet for value :
    – Set (99, JJ : 6)
    – Overpairs (QQ-AA : 18)
    – TP (AJ, KJs, QJs, JTs : 21)
    45 combos.

    I cbet as bluffs and thin-value :
    – Underpairs to TP (TT : 6)
    – 2overs (AK, AQ, KQ : 48)
    – OESD (QTs : 4)
    – Gutshots (KTs, 87s : 8)
    – 2ndP (T9s, 98s : 6)
    – Other FDs (7s6s, 6s5s, AsTs : 3)
    – Other bkdoor FDs (AcTc : 1)
    76 combos

    Check-fold :
    – Underpairs : (88-44 : 30)
    – Others (AhTh, AdTd, 76s & 65s (non s) : 8)
    38 combos.

    Assessement : Perhaps slightly too many cbets (74%). I should probably remove some KQ (keep the 7 combos that have backdoor FDs, drop the 9 others).
    I also could consider checking JJ to protect my checking range and also put hands like JTs & QJs in my check-calling range. But nahhhh … I prefer betting them.

    For the sake of the exercice, I keep my ranges and see where it leads me.

    Turn : 121 combos (no removal).

    Cbet turn for value :
    – Set (99, JJ : 6)
    – Overpairs (QQ-AA : 18)
    – TP (AJ, KJs, QJs, JTs : 21)
    45 combos.

    Barrel as bluffs and thin-value :
    – 2overs (AK : 16)
    – OESD (QTs, 87s : 8)
    – Gutshots (KTs : 4)
    – Other FDs (AsQs, AsTs, KsQs, Ts9s, 9s8s, 7s6s, 6s5s : 7)
    35 combos

    Check-call :
    – Underpairs to TP (TT : 6)
    – 2ndP wo FD (T9s, 98s : 4)
    10 combos

    Check-fold :
    – 2overs wo FD (AQ, KQ : 30)
    – Other bkdoor FDs (AcTc : 1)
    31 combos

    Assessement : Looks OK. Except for my check-calling range which will not support a river bet. I should just check/fold those. JTs and QJs are borderline between value and thin-value.

    Owen, you seem to have difficulties to have enough hands in your “flop bluffing bucket”. You can sometimes add backdoor flush-draws and 3-straights. Those do great randomizers (I didn’t believe it at first … then I did the math and it opened my eyes).

    #827

    Michel Couet

    Oups … KQ should be barreled on the flop+turn. It’s a gutshot+2overs, way enough equity to barrel.

    Result is that I’m barrelling too much. I need to fold those AK to keep a relatively balanced range on the range.

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