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Frequency Work Hand One

After finishing Miller’s Poker’s 1%, I’ve decided to make an effort to analyze at least one hand a day. I’ll blog these for a while, I guess. Hopefully other students of the game can add value to my analysis as well as glean value themselves. I’m a noob at this, so take whatever with a grain of salt. Hopefully, we’ll do some learning together. So…here’s hand one.

Hand:

Winning Poker Network Game #253302023: No Limit Holdem ($0.50/$1)
Seat 1: SemperFidelis ($109.18)
Seat 2: FairyShopper ($103.50)
Seat 3: nyustud ($51.68)
Seat 4: HenryMcCoy63 ($324.76)
Seat 5: MamaCoolJ ($58.37)
Seat 6: Casinoking ($104.05)
Button is seat 2
nyustud: posts small blind $0.50
HenryMcCoy63: posts big blind $1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
MamaCoolJ: dealt [Qd Kc]
MamaCoolJ: raises $3
Casinoking: calls $3
Folds around
*** FLOP *** [8d 6c Qs]
MamaCoolJ: bets $4.58
Casinoking: calls $4.58
*** TURN *** [8d 6c Qs] [3d]
MamaCoolJ: bets $14
Casinoking: folds

Preflop Range:

Opening range: 228 combos; AA-55,AKs-A2s,KQs-K9s,QJs-QTs,JTs-J9s,T9s,AKo-ATo,KQo-KJo,QJo
204 after the flop

Typical action:

Bet Flop:

Value (42 combos): AA, KK, AQ, KQ, 88, 66
Bluff (@ 40 combos): probably a few unimproved big broadways
Assessment: Need 2x more bluffs than usual and choose bluffs more carefully

Bet Turn:

Value (42 combos): AA, KK, AQ, KQ, 88, 66
Bluff (@ 30 combos): UI broadways with flush draws and a handful more applying pressure to the weak pairs in his range.
Assessment: Need more bluffs and choose bluffs more carefully

Frequencies:
Got called by MP with a likely strong range—bad event, cut back on betting. Flop seems uneventful. I started 60x instead of 100x, so not sure exactly how much that impacts the frequency. We still have an SPR over 7, so that’s still better than a 3/4 pot bet on each street. Instead of 70%, I’ll go to 60%

204 * .60 = 123
123 * .667 = 82
82 bluffs / 41 value

Turn seems uneventful. I’ll stick with 70%.

Buckets:

Bet flop:

Value betting hands (42 combos): AA, KK, AQ, KQ, 88, 66
(Pulled out QQ as it’s a blocker for action hands and helps the checking range; along with QJ and QTs)
Remaining hands: AK, AJ, AT, A9s-A2s, KJs, KTs, K9s, JTs, J9s, T9s, JJ-99, 77, 55

Bluffing hands:
Pairs Combos
A8s mp 3
A6s bp 3
JJ 6
TT 6
99 6
77 6
55 6
Some Draw
T9s oesd 4
Aks bdfd 3
AJs bdfd 3
Ats bdfd 3
A9s bdfd 3
A7s bdfd 3
A5s-As2 bdfd 12
JTs gutter 4
J9s gutter 4
KJs bdfd 3
KTs bdfd 3
Total 81

This gives me 123 hands in the flop betting range with close to 2:1.

Bet turn:

The turn only removes 1 card from my flop betting range, Ad3d. So, I have 122 on the turn.
122 * .7 = 85
42 bluffs and 42 value

Value betting hands (42 combos) – same as flop: AA, KK, AQ, KQ, 88, 66

Bluffing:
Pairs Combos
A8s mp 3
A6s bp 3
JJ 3
TT 3
99 3
77 3
55 3
Some Draw
T9s oesd 4
Adxd 8
Kdxd 2
Jdxd 2
A high
Ajs 2
Ats 2
Total 41

Sniff Test:
Don’t think anything looks crazy. On the turn, I was thinking of checking some more of those pocket pairs and adding in more A high hands to the bluffing range instead.

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  • #753

    QTip
    Keymaster

    After finishing Miller’s Poker’s 1%, I’ve decided to make an effort to analyze at least one hand a day. I’ll blog these for a while, I guess. Hopefully other students of the game can add value to my analysis as well as glean value themselves. I’m a noob at this, so take whatever with a grain of salt. Hopefully, we’ll do some learning together. So…here’s hand one.

    Hand:

    Winning Poker Network Game #253302023: No Limit Holdem ($0.50/$1)
    Seat 1: SemperFidelis ($109.18)
    Seat 2: FairyShopper ($103.50)
    Seat 3: nyustud ($51.68)
    Seat 4: HenryMcCoy63 ($324.76)
    Seat 5: MamaCoolJ ($58.37)
    Seat 6: Casinoking ($104.05)
    Button is seat 2
    nyustud: posts small blind $0.50
    HenryMcCoy63: posts big blind $1
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    MamaCoolJ: dealt [Qd Kc]
    MamaCoolJ: raises $3
    Casinoking: calls $3
    Folds around
    *** FLOP *** [8d 6c Qs]
    MamaCoolJ: bets $4.58
    Casinoking: calls $4.58
    *** TURN *** [8d 6c Qs] [3d]
    MamaCoolJ: bets $14
    Casinoking: folds

    Preflop Range:

    Opening range: 228 combos; AA-55,AKs-A2s,KQs-K9s,QJs-QTs,JTs-J9s,T9s,AKo-ATo,KQo-KJo,QJo
    204 after the flop

    Typical action:

    Bet Flop:

    Value (42 combos): AA, KK, AQ, KQ, 88, 66
    Bluff (@ 40 combos): probably a few unimproved big broadways
    Assessment: Need 2x more bluffs than usual and choose bluffs more carefully

    Bet Turn:

    Value (42 combos): AA, KK, AQ, KQ, 88, 66
    Bluff (@ 30 combos): UI broadways with flush draws and a handful more applying pressure to the weak pairs in his range.
    Assessment: Need more bluffs and choose bluffs more carefully

    Frequencies:
    Got called by MP with a likely strong range—bad event, cut back on betting. Flop seems uneventful. I started 60x instead of 100x, so not sure exactly how much that impacts the frequency. We still have an SPR over 7, so that’s still better than a 3/4 pot bet on each street. Instead of 70%, I’ll go to 60%

    204 * .60 = 123
    123 * .667 = 82
    82 bluffs / 41 value

    Turn seems uneventful. I’ll stick with 70%.

    Buckets:

    Bet flop:

    Value betting hands (42 combos): AA, KK, AQ, KQ, 88, 66
    (Pulled out QQ as it’s a blocker for action hands and helps the checking range; along with QJ and QTs)
    Remaining hands: AK, AJ, AT, A9s-A2s, KJs, KTs, K9s, JTs, J9s, T9s, JJ-99, 77, 55

    Bluffing hands:
    Pairs Combos
    A8s mp 3
    A6s bp 3
    JJ 6
    TT 6
    99 6
    77 6
    55 6
    Some Draw
    T9s oesd 4
    Aks bdfd 3
    AJs bdfd 3
    Ats bdfd 3
    A9s bdfd 3
    A7s bdfd 3
    A5s-As2 bdfd 12
    JTs gutter 4
    J9s gutter 4
    KJs bdfd 3
    KTs bdfd 3
    Total 81

    This gives me 123 hands in the flop betting range with close to 2:1.

    Bet turn:

    The turn only removes 1 card from my flop betting range, Ad3d. So, I have 122 on the turn.
    122 * .7 = 85
    42 bluffs and 42 value

    Value betting hands (42 combos) – same as flop: AA, KK, AQ, KQ, 88, 66

    Bluffing:
    Pairs Combos
    A8s mp 3
    A6s bp 3
    JJ 3
    TT 3
    99 3
    77 3
    55 3
    Some Draw
    T9s oesd 4
    Adxd 8
    Kdxd 2
    Jdxd 2
    A high
    Ajs 2
    Ats 2
    Total 41

    Sniff Test:
    Don’t think anything looks crazy. On the turn, I was thinking of checking some more of those pocket pairs and adding in more A high hands to the bluffing range instead.

    #754

    tc690758

    I’ll read these everyday. I added a book mark. I think you have to bet the QQ on the turn but it’s minor.

    #755

    QTip
    Keymaster

    I’ll read these everyday. I added a book mark. I think you have to bet the QQ on the turn but it’s minor.

    Thanks.

    Yeah, you’re likely right. Need to get QQ in there on the turn.

    I’m not sure if the frequencies I use here are close or not. I’ve more work to do on finding these. However, I plan to continue to break these down regardless the inaccuracies of frequencies.

    #756

    BNE

    If I understand it correctly, it actually would be correct to leave QQ out because it’s no longer in that particular range or ‘pyramid’. It would be part of the flop checking pyramid which would branch off separately.

    #757

    QTip
    Keymaster

    If I understand it correctly, it actually would be correct to leave QQ out because it’s no longer in that particular range or ‘pyramid’. It would be part of the flop checking pyramid which would branch off separately.

    Man…I knew I felt something when I made this last night. I think you’re right. I thought about adding QQ on the turn, then I was like..wait a minute…I don’t have this hand in this branch. Then replying to the previous poster, I wasn’t sure anymore how to think about that. haha

    I think we have to look at this range as simply what gets bet on the flop.

    #767

    QTip
    Keymaster

    You know…I think I have a problem with the turn buckets. I don’t have any good hands checking the turn. This is an interesting question in general, I think. If you don’t have hands in your flop betting range that improve on the turn, you’re stuck with just the value hands you bet on the flop. Then you have no strong hands to include in a check range on the turn…

    #769

    QTip
    Keymaster

    #771

    QTip
    Keymaster

    So, we should take some of those pair bluffs out of the turn and replace them with some other bluffs. Save some of the pairs to strengthen the checking range some.

    #824

    Michel Couet

    I used a different range preflop (somewhat tighter) : 44+, ATs+, KTs+, QTs+, 65s+, AJo+, KQo.

    Flop, that’s 151 combos including card removal. I will cbet no less than 4/5th pot in this spot($5) . I will want to cbet at least 2/3 of combos.

    I cbet for value :
    – Set (66, 88, QQ : 9)
    – Operpairs (KK, QQ : 12)
    – TP (AQ, KQ, QJs, QTs : 30)
    51 combos.

    I cbet as bluffs and thin-value :
    – Underpairs to TP (99-JJ : 18)
    – 2overs (AK : 16)
    – OESD (T9s : 4)
    – Gutshots (JTs : 4)
    – Backdoor flushdraws (AJs, ATs, KTs : 9)
    – Backdor FD+3str8 (KTs : 4)
    – 2ndP or 3rdP (98s, 87s, 77, 76s, 65s : 18)
    73 combos

    Check-fold :
    – Underpairs : (55-44 : 12)
    – Others (AJo, AhJh, AhTh : 15)
    27 combos.

    Assessement : Very strong value-range. I’m cbetting 82% and have no check-call range. I could consider checking QQ to protect my checking range. I could also put hands like QTs & QJs in my check-calling range.

    For the sake of the exercice, I keep my ranges and see where it leads me.

    Turn : 124 combos (no removal). Pot is $17.5. Effective stacks : $50.37
    It’s a blank, I’ll want barrel with about 2/3 of my range and size it to about $14 to have about a 3/4 pot size raise on the river.

    Barrel for value :
    – Sets (66,88,QQ : 9)
    – Overpairs (KK, AA : 12)
    – Good TP (AQ, KQ : 24)
    45 combos

    Barrel as bluff :
    – FD (AdKd, AdJd, … : 9)
    – OESD non-d (T9s : 3)
    – Gutshots non-d (JTs : 3)
    – Gutshots + 2nd/3rdP non-d (98s, 87s, 76s, 65s : 10)
    25 combos

    Check/call :
    – Medium TP (QJs, QTs : 6)
    – Underpair (JJ-TT : 12)
    18 combos

    Check/fold
    – Underpair (99, 77 : 12)
    – Air (AK, AJ, ATs, KJs, KTs non d : 24)
    36 combos

    Assessement : Not enough barrels (and specifically, not enough bluffs), and too many check/folds. That could be because my flop cbetting range is too weak (unlikely) or because I’m giving up too quickly with non-value hands (likely). I could put AK in my turn barrel range. That would make 85 combos barrels (68% of my range – pretty close to what I’m looking for). Also, my check/call range is composed only of medium hands. It’s a good thing that there cannot be overbets..

    For the sake of the exercice, let’s suppose I bet with my range, and we see a river. I generate a random river … <drums> … Kh.

    River : 70 combos, minus 3 KK & 3 KQ => 64 combos.
    Pot is $45.5. Effective stacks are $36.37.

    3-Barrel for value :
    – Sets (66,88,QQ,KK : 12)
    – 2Pairs (KQ : 9)
    – Overpairs (AA : 6)
    – River TP (AdKd, KdJd, KdTd : 3)
    30 combos

    3-Barrel as bluff :
    – Busted str8D (JTs, T9d : 8)
    – 4thP (76s, 65s : 6)
    14 combos

    Check/call :
    – 2ndP / Turn TP : (AQ : 12)
    12 combos

    Check/fold :
    – Busted FD (AdJd, AdTd : 2)
    – 3rdP (98s, 87s : 6)
    8 combos

    Assessement : River looks fine and correctly balanced (2/3 hands bet for value, enough of the hands checked defend vs a bet).

    #829

    QTip
    Keymaster

    Nice work, Michel :)

    #1011

    which
    Participant

    Q–

    I really like the idea of doing this but before I started, wanted to verify a few things.

    1. When we check, we should have both xc and xf and maybe a xr or two in our ranges? Or is this way off?

    2. We should have more than QQ in a x bucket right? We will need hands that can stand a raise and having only one strong hand might not be enough?

    Dry boards get 1/2 PSB usually by Snowie, I wonder if we should pay less attention to stack sizes, more to value? IE Is it wise to get it in with this hand OOP vs a strong calling range pre flop? How many streets do we anticipate, and why?

    Not sure frequencies work into this, but wondering if it should?

    which

    which
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